Recently, it came to our attention that for many years, a student who claims to be a world leader of The Infinite Way, Bertus Rabe, has been witholding 21 tapes of Joel's made in Holland in the early 1950's. He has quietly listed them in the Dutch section of his website for Dutch students ONLY. Hardly what we can fathom was Joel's intention. (See my translation of his Dutch page below.)
Joel teaches us that there are no national borders, that we are ONE spiritual household. No nation of students was EVER singled out by him. So, we rest with this expression of Error operating, knowing it has no power and is simply again trying to divide The Infinite Way. We won't believe that.
So, in the interest of YOU, your studies and our oneness as an Infinite Way Circle of Christhood, I am putting this on the internet for everyone to enjoy. You may listen or download. Since according to Bertus, Joel wanted these tapes to be free to the students, let's share them in love. No money needed for Bertus. He asks for a price, you will see his letter. (My cds cost $50.00 purchased in Holland). In his English letter, he asks for a gift.
These mp3s are available for any Infinite Way student.
From: [email protected]
Subject: audio recordings Holland classes of Joel on You tube
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 07:40:40 +0100
Google translation of Dutch letter (not elegant, but will give you the gist of the letter):
A student gave me this link:
To my amazement, not to say dismay I discovered:
If you click on it you will get an organization that has put me UNKNOWN WITHOUT MY PERMISSION (as legal owner of this tape recordings) coolly Holland some classes on You tube.
I want to warn you. This is NOT!! Joel. Joel was always strongly opposed to this kind of mass publication of his audio recordings because the Spiritual Link between student and the state of consciousness
teacher - student and the personal connection you should not keep it to yourself to share with others.
Read also The Spiritual Journey of Joel Joel S.Goldsmith that at the time the fortunes that they offered him but refused to appear on radio and TV) ("Do you really think they listen well
and understanding? ") and preferred to give. lessons to small groups Groups that he knew she would understand his message.
Therefore I dissociate myself completely and this will - as the legal owner of this tape recordings - contact my legal advisers to see what is this sort of behavior to
You, students, I want to warn you.
There is a big difference between the electronic publication of books etc. and tape recordings. (See above: personal connection). Read what I have in my website listed under "class spirit".
They can - according to my information - verify the ID of the computer who visits the website and who download it.
In addition to the audio recordings belonging to me there are o ok audio recordings of "the office" as far as I know. Which will undoubtedly take action. In the past,
someone also once Joels audio recordings put on You tube, which resulted in a similar process and that website has been removed.
So, in your own interest:! Do not mix in this hornet's nest. Keep you - like me - to Joel and his instructions.
In the 30 years that I should be working now in the work I've seen miscellaneous "fall" to their shame and disgrace and mental damage.
Stay out!. What do you need to know for myself, I can only recommend.
Let us all do this meditation work.
"If you click on it you will get an organization that has put me UNKNOWN WITHOUT MY PERMISSION (as legal owner of this tape recordings) coolly Holland some classes on You tube."
First, please remember copyright law which applies here and in Europe. Anyone may OWN tapes, given or bought, made by a performer. To publish or duplicate the tapes is illegal without copyrights. The copyrights to these tapes belong to Joel's heirs, not Bertus. He has been selling them illegally....well, "giving them away" for a donation of around $75.00. My letter from Sue Ropac gave me permission to do as I wished with them. I offered them to the public free. So, this distribution on YouTube, is permissible. I have no knowledge about who did this, but it is not illegal and Bertus Rabe has no right to make these statements or claims to ownership.
"I want to warn you. This is NOT!! Joel. Joel was always strongly opposed to this kind of mass publication of his audio recordings because the Spiritual Link between student and the state of the teacher-student consciousness should not be shared with others. You should keep it to yourself."
There is nothing to be worried about. Joel did want his message distributed, this is why he had tapes and allowed tape groups and had people sharing his tapes and books all over the world. This statement is, in my opinion, deliberately misleading. There is nothing to fear and no need for a WARNING! Bertus is mixing up the principle of honoring your teacher relationship with sharing the work.
If you remember, Joel said we should give a taste of the message to others. If they like it, they can pursue the message on their own. He said to give a pamphlet or Letter to someone to see if the message moves them. The rest is then up to them.
The lesson to keep your relationship with your teacher private means just that. To not tell others what goes on between you and your teacher. This is why Lorraine's publishing of her personal letters with Joel was a problem.
Everyone is trying to interpret Joel to serve their personal agenda.
"Read also [in the book], The Spiritual Journey of Joel S.Goldsmith, about the fortunes that were offered to Joel to appear on radio and TV which he refused. ("Do you really think they will actually listen and understanding? ") He preferred to give lessons to small groups, groups that he knew would understand his message."
It is true, Joel did go on radio and T.V. and was offered a multi-million dollar contract for a show. There were several reasons why Joel turned down these offers. On tape, he explains that he did not want people to have the impression that one could buy healings, healers or him. Further, there were so many people calling in for healings when he broadcasted that he could not answer all the calls. He did not have enough practitioners for the demand. THIS IS WHY HE REFUSED. It is all on tape. But, I doubt Bertus has heard it. Unfortunately, I cannot tell you which tape. You will have to trust me that it is there. Others can confirm this here in this forum and list tapes if they know them.
It is correct that he preferred small groups to share tapes. (Here you see Bertus contradicting himself, as I have pointed out.) Joel was a businessman. He wanted to protect Emma's tape business and the family has jealously guarded the tapes and their authority. There has never been a "sample" tape offering. I have pleaded to have them offer the Kailua at a discount or the few classics like tape 8A or 12 at cost. This has never been accepted. The Holland tapes were an opportunity to provide students with a sample by which they could begin listening and finding out the beauty of the tapes for themselves.
Today, we have very few tape groups in cities. The internet is our medium in this era. It seems appropriate that we share with each other in this way.
"Therefore I dissociate myself completely and this will - as the legal owner of this tape recordings - contact my legal advisers to see what can be done [to protect me and my 'property'.]"
Bertus will discover that he has no rights to these tapes and will have to stand down on this issue.
"You, students, I want to warn you. There is a big difference between the electronic publication of books etc. and tape recordings. (See above: personal connection). Read what I have in my website listed under "class spirit". They can - according to my information - verify the ID of the computer, who visits the website and who download it."
Please do not worry if you have taken a personal copy. Permission has been given by email from Sue Ropac for me to do as I wished with the tapes. Although I knew nothing about the publishing on YouTube and no one mentioned where they got the Holland tapes [not very nice to not at least reference the source], Bertus has no claim to these tapes whatsoever. I do not know why he is trying to scare people.
"In addition to the audio recordings belonging to me there are also approved audio recordings of "the office" as far as I know. Which will undoubtedly take action. In the past, someone also put Joel's audio recordings on You tube, which resulted in them being removed."
Any other audio tapes will be removed because they must be permitted by Infinite Way trademarke owners. These Holland tapes are unique and I gladly share them.
One problem with tapes on the internet is that people have the ability to copy over them, speak their own words into the tape or change the intended lesson. The office has reliable tapes for those who want further study.
I have found in the past that many use Joel's information to further their own careers in the work, rather than to honor Joel's lesson, so the student must beware.
"So, in your own interest:! Do not mix in this hornet's nest. Follow Joel and his instructions. In the 30 years that I should be working now in the work I've seen miscellaneous "fall" to their shame and disgrace and spiritual damage. Stay out!. What do you need to know for myself, I can only recommend."
There is absolutely no reason to speak to people as a parent doling out discipline. Bertus is trying to stop people with fear. These tapes were his claim to Infinite Way authority. He has maintained a story that Joel made these tapes on a trip to Holland and left them for the Dutch tape group headed by Bertus' aunt. Bertus claims Joel wanted them ONLY to go his aunt's group. (This is hard to believe since in Joel's personal letters he always tells Emma about what he recorded and to get them ready for sale. He gives the host tape group a copy and sells the rest in the catalogue. Anyone can check this and see all the places Joel lectured. I have never, ever heard of him doing what Bertus claims.)
The aunt passed away and gave Bertus the tapes which he sold to the Dutch students. You could only find out about them on the Dutch section of his multi-lingual website. Bertus claimed Joel wanted them to remain exclusively for the Dutch.
Wherever Joel went, he recorded and then these were available to everyone. If you look at the history, Bertus' story does not make sense. Also, Joel recorded instructions ON THE TAPE if there was to be a special handling of the tape for a particular group. There is not such message on these tapes in Joel's own words. Should Bertus have proof in a letter from Joel to his aunt, then we could believe him. As the story stands, it does not fit with what we know.
Further, it is very typical to use the "I have seen many come and go" line to imply a special authority, almost like, "I have been around a long time, so I must be right about what I do." Time spent in the message does not prove spiritual consciousness. There are as many bad teachers as good and most of the better ones have left the work due to the behavior of Infinite Way leaders and owners. Each of Joel's teachers had a problem in the end.
The warning about harming your consciousness is simply unacceptable.
Remember, this is all an illusion. Meditate and dissolve this upset. Let's forgive Bertus his misunderstandings and hope that people enjoy and benefit from the Holland tapes Joel left. There is some interesting and historical stuff on them.
Your comments on this are welcome if they are posted to help others.
In the interest of your understanding, I will take the Google translation and edit it into proper English. I speak Dutch, so will try to adjust the idioms, etc.
In the years 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958 and 1959 Joel Netherlands gave some classes which were, indeed, recorded but which were not listed in the catalogue. This was not possible because according to information from Bertus' predecessor - the late Heloise of Brakel-May - Joel personally gave the tapes to her as a gift when, in 1964 in class, she offered to take on the work of the translations of the Monthly Letter. [This implies that Joel did this in Holland in 1964. He was not in Holland in 1964, to my knowledge. He made his transition in England, before his Dutch lectures. Lorraine finished the tour. Lorraine describes this in The Spiritual Journey of Joel S. Goldsmith.] Joel was so delighted that he not only granted Heloise permission to translate and publish The Monthly Letters, but also waived the royalties and gave her the few recordings as a gift to "promote the work".
Joel and Lorraine were both always very opposed to the lending or copying of their sound recordings. Also there may not be any making of transcripts thereof. Regarding Lorraine: there is still a copyright on her work!
[Very interesting to see the emphasis Bertus places on copyrights, especially his own and Lorraine's.]
"Please do understand that the Infinite Way Holland is NOT a subsidiary of the Infinite Way Offices in Moreno Valley/California nor do I sell any tapes neither by Joel S. Goldsmith nor by Lorraine Sinkler nor by any other teacher who may have made tapes. Neither do I sell any books....
At the time (more then 40 years ago) Joel has given various classes in Holland. My predecessor-translator, the late Heloise van Brakel-May, did say to Joel that she would take care of translating the Monthly Letters and Joel was so pleased and delighted that someone was prepared to cut down the languagebarrier, that he gave Heloise permission to do so and he gave the taperegistered classes 1955 thru 1959 as a personal GIFT. When Heloise made the transition I did inherit these tapes. So these Holland tapes belong to my private collection over here and are in principle NO sellingobject. Those in Holland who want them can have a copy at costprice. That is all.
The original 7 inch – large reel – tapes were in a terrible condition, there was much noise and other irregularities on it, and with computerutilities I did manage – after more than 2 years of hard work – to cleanse these tapes and make them available in such a way that the sound is acceptable for our modern ears. Thereafter I took care of the simultaneous translation thereof. Remember that these recordings were made at the time , more than 40 years ago , with the technical possibilities existing then.
Sorry, but there are very good reasons why there is no cooperation with Infinite Way offices whatsoever. So you will find NO mention of the classes 1955 thru 1959 in their catalogue and rightly so. Only the classes 1960 thru 1962 (NO gift) which you must buy from these offices.
Since we do not wish to exclude anyone from these 1955 thru 1959 Holland classes, “selling” – words can be so inappropriate – these Cd’s will only be done from Holland at costprice.
I can do the following for you:
The format is MP3 , please check your equipment if it is suitable for reading MP3 formats.
I can send you a CD with e.g. the total 1955 classes. The costs are not Euro 8.50 (only for Holland) but estimated for abroad to Euro 11 at least in view of high postage for mail to abroad.
Cheques are NOT acceptable since the bankers do calculate such high charges collecting cheques that it only would cost money collecting them. Best thing to do is: to send the countervalue in US$ by postletter to me.
There is another option. I can – thru Megaupload or Rapidshare – send you this class . I simply upload the class, give you the download link and you download it and can store it on your computer. Should you wish to burn it to a CD it is fully up to you. In that case I leave it to your discretion what you wish to contribute. The Infinite Way Holland is NO business, but legally is a closed circle. In itself such is a contradiction for there are no members, no fee due, everybody is free to come or leave , just in the fine spirit of Joel.
Sending you thru Megaupload or Rapidshare would be the best and quickest option.
Let me know what you prefer. To end this… do bear in mind that both Joel and Lorraine were fiercely opposed to copying taperecordings or just give them away to others / possibly not prepared for it / . So .. PLEASE KEEP THERE REGISTRATIONS TO YOURSELF. IT IS YOUR RELATIONSHIP / CONNECTION WITH THE CONSCIOUSNESS FLOWING THRU JOEL c.q. Lorraine. YOU WOULD ONLY HARM YOURSELF SPIRITUALLY IF YOU DO NOT.
[This is a very dangerous threat. You are being warned that tampering with Bertus' instructions will bring harm to you. (We must be with Bertus on this and know that there is NO harm that can come to us on this path. Malpractice is a subject that can be carried over from the first generation of students by way of their teachings in Christian Science. We don't believe in malpractice. It has no power.) ]